A conversation with Dorice Horenstein, a keynote speaker, author, team workshop leader and certified PQ facilitator.
Dorice Horenstein served as an officer in the Israeli army followed by years of leadership in the education field. She is an Oy to Joy speaker who uses her energy and charisma to make the world her platform. Her expertise lies in Mental Fitness & Positive Intelligence. She is also the author of the award-winning bestselling book- Moments of the Heart: Four Relationships Everyone Should Have to Live Wholeheartedly.
Dorice shared that she grew up in Israel and came to America after meeting her now husband, Bob, on an apple picking machine on a kibbutz. She remembers coming to this country with one suitcase, $600, and no coat in the month of December!
Dorice has always been mission driven, asking herself: what are the gifts that you have that you can impart to other people? In her 22 year old mind, that translated into being an educator; Dorice spent 30 years as a Jewish educator before she transitioned to being a solopreneur. She is now using her unique gifts to be a light and serve others outside of the Jewish community, helping people navigate challenges and shift to a positive mindset.
“So while we didn’t have money in abundance, we had the sense of giving and kindness and openness and really, I think it's probably better than money in abundance. It’s much better to have love and open your heart.” - Dorice Horenstein
Key takeaways:
- When contemplating a life change, have faith that things will be okay. Dorice was on the plane to Israel, flying to visit her sister who had been diagnosed with cancer, when she decided she was going to leave her job of 30 years. She had read the book, The Universe Has Your Back by Gabrielle Bernstein on the flight, and knew with clarity that, though she wasn’t sure what would come next, that it would all work out okay.
As Dorice described, it wasn’t just having faith and sitting on the sofa! She had faith in the universe AND in herself, that she had the discipline to put one foot in front of the other and move forward.
- Know that everything you have done has prepared you for where you are now. Dorice doesn’t regret the years that she spent as a Jewish educator. It taught her compassion, while preparing her for her roles now as a Positive Intelligence coach and motivational speaker.
- Recognize when your mindset is getting in your way. So many of us, when making a change, can get paralyzed, thinking that we need one more course, or one more certification, before we actually jump in. We as women can be especially stuck in our belief that we need to be perfect before we can move forward. And this feeling of “I’m not good enough yet” can also cause us to undercharge for our services.
Dorice shared how she cultivates confidence in herself and her capabilities, and how she asks God to put the words in her mouth and enable her to inspire people before she goes on stage. She noted that she is able to view challenges in her life as opportunities, and to see herself as a thriver rather than a survivor.
- Cultivate gratitude. Be present to all the good things already in your life. Dorice practices what she preaches, thanking God for returning her soul to her when she wakes in the morning, and sharing with her husband each day that she loves her life!
About the guest:
After serving as an officer in the Israeli army followed by years of leadership in the education field, Dorice, Oy to Joy speaker, uses her energy and charisma as she transitioned to make the world her platform. Her expertise in Mental Fitness & Positive Intelligence coupled with her award-winning bestselling book Moments of the Heart: Four Relationships Everyone Should Have to Live Wholeheartedly provide Dorice with the opportunity and knowledge to speak on international stages. Dorice inspires others to improve their mental fitness, navigate challenges, discover opportunities for growth and thus find their champion within.
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Dorice Horenstein: So while we didn't have money in abundance, we had the sense of giving and kindness and openness. And really I think it's probably better than having money in abundance. It's much better to have love and open your heart.
Welcome to Making Change With Your Money, a podcast that highlights the stories and strategies of women who experienced a big life transition and overcame challenges as they redefined financial success for themselves.
Now here's your host, certified financial planner, Laura Rotter.
Laura Rotter: I am so excited to have as my guest today, Dorice Horenstein an Oy To Joy speaker. She brings her unbounded energy and charisma to audiences worldwide, using her expertise in positive intelligence, coaching and mental fitness to invigorate her listeners.
And Dorice is the mother of Matan Horenstein, my son-in-law. So welcome Dorice. I am so happy that you are part of my family and welcome to the Making Change with Your Money podcast.
Dorice Horenstein: Thank you so much. This is a pleasure for me to be here with you, you know, to combine our professional life and our personal life.
And I just feel. So enriched by your presence and your husband's influence on my son and your son, and what a great thing is that. So, um, I couldn't be more happy and proud to being your friend and your guest today.
Laura Rotter: Thank you. So, I'm going to start with the same question I start all my podcasts with, which is: Dorice, what was money like in your family growing up?
Dorice Horenstein: We didn't have much money growing up, so let me just say that I grew up in Israel. And the mindset was money doesn't grow on trees. This is literally how I was raised. I was raised from the story from Genesis where it says, with the sweat of your brow, you shall eat bread. Right. That's how I grew up and I don't think it changed much until I came to the United States and start seeing things.
I was, I grew up in a small neighborhood. I served as an Israeli officer and became, uh, you know, for two and a half years, I came here after meeting my husband who is American, in Israel, on an apple picking machine. I was trying to live the, I was trying to live the life on the kibbutz. Well, didn't work well for me, but the good thing that came is that I met Bob and he said, why don't you come and see America?
And I came here in 1986 with one suitcase, $600. And no coat in the month of December. So I had $600 and I remember $200 were spent on getting a sofa. I'll never forget this. We rented a two-bedroom apartment and we needed a thing to sit on. The bed. I remember we brought the bed from his childhood house and it was a twins size bed and you know the money, we didn't have much money in Israel growing up I used to clean houses. In middle school, ninth grade, I cleaned houses so I will have money to do what I needed to do, what I wanted to do with this money. My parents raised five children, love in abundance money, not so much, and we learned.
We learned that it's okay not to have money, and it's really interesting because my girlfriends. Those who had more financial stability and abundance in their family, they love to come to my house to eat with us. Why? Because in my house, my mom was always there. She always cooked meals. Our house was always open to guests. So, while we didn't have money in abundance, we had the sense of giving and kindness and openness.
And really, I think it's probably better than having a money in abundance. It's much better to have love and open your heart.
Laura Rotter: What a great testament. I mean, I, I recently wrote a blog post about, I. Having a lot of money in my previous career and being miserable, and then at this point, you know, having a beautiful family, living in a wonderful community in a smaller house with less financial resources.
And I'm the happiest I've ever been because as you said, Dorice, true abundance has nothing to do with the, once you have your basic needs met. With the money in your bank account?
Dorice Horenstein: A hundred percent. I know in my job, I was 30 years in the education world before I transitioned into a solopreneur. Those 30 years gave me such a foundation to know the what is the important things in life and the important things in life to me was my family, my health. How close we were with one another.
Both my husband and I worked for the Jewish community. So you know, this is a nonprofit world. You don't do it for the money, you don't get into working for the Jewish people for money. You go because you have a purpose, because you have a mission. And I remember when I came to America and I thought, okay, what am I gonna do? 21 years old, 22 years old, just got married at 22. What would I do? I literally remember sitting with that thought of there is what are the gifts that you have that you can impart on other people? And I remember growing up Orthodox, be a light onto the nation, be a light onto whoever comes. So naturally in my 22 year old mind, I translated that - work for the Jewish people.
Today, I'm using that concept outside of the Jewish community. Be a light unto everyone. Wherever they come to your life, whatever they fear, they enter into your zone. And that's really what I think is, is important in life is to me being a light and serving. And I remember thinking, be grateful for everything that you have.
Don't compare yourself. To what other people have and how much they have. Because in my 30 years in education, clearly I saw people who are very affluent. And while at the beginning I thought, oh, they have that and I don't have that. And then I quickly turned around and I said, Dorice, what you have people sometimes cannot buy. They cannot buy what you have. And that's the love around me and that's the family and you know how, how my family is. So, you know,
Laura Rotter: Oh my God, yes. Having met your family at, at our family wedding, which, you know, I thought my family had a lot of energy and positivity and Yeah. Your family has it in spades.
Dorice Horenstein: And you know, and it wasn't always easy, right? It wasn't always easy. I'm sure you have. Had instances in your life where it was tough on your family, either on your extended family or your nuclear family you had. We all have struggles. We all have things that we have to rise above, and it takes the village to help you make that happen. It's not by ourselves.
We don't show up in this world to be on our own. And that's something that I understood the importance of, of the family and the community. And over the last, whatever, 37 years or so that I've been here. So I learned to have a community because I didn't have my Israeli family here. So how do I create this sense of community that is rich with values, with connections?
And that really has been my springboard. When I left my job, I used that community. To give me the push for the next stage of my life, which I did not know what it's going to be after 30 years in the job. You know, I left. I did not know, where am I jumping into.
Laura Rotter: So Dorice, that's a great segue because you know our listeners, a lot of them are women who are not happy with where they are, don't have a sense of mission, and it sounds like you did for a long time.
You just described it so, so what changed that had you think about leaving the field of Jewish education and recreate your life?
Dorice Horenstein: I will tell you what happened. I actually, I. Can speak about it in particular. It was a February day I was planning to go visit my sister who was diagnosed with cancer. She was 38 years old.
I was going to visit her and in my heart I start, I was feeling for few months prior to it, discontent. You know when you go to your work and you feel that your heart is contracts more instead of expands. And I felt that in my body, but I said to myself, Dorice, you know, just, it's fine. It's fine. Just work until you're 65. Get your, you know, get your retirement. You'll be on social security, everything'll be fine. And then the night before I left to be with my sister on one of her chemotherapy appointment in Israel. A friend of mine came to my house the night before the flight and she gave me a book in a paper bag. I didn't see the name of the book in a paper bag, and she said, read it on the plane.
And I was like, okay. I put it in my backpack, I go on the plane the next day I sit by the window on the plane. I pull this book from this paper bag and it says the name of the book was The Universe Has Your Back by Gabrielle Bernstein. And I thought, wow, well that's an interesting title of a book. And I read that book, the entire flight to Israel.
I landed in Israel and from the airport I connected with my husband and I said, honey, I'm leaving my job July 1st. Oh my God. So that's how I remember it was so particular. And my husband of course was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's discuss it. You know, let's see what else we can find. And I said, you don't understand, honey, I am serious.
This is what's gonna happen. And I'm at the airport and I'm tired. I know I didn't sleep well, but my mind is clear as can be. I'm leaving. And when you feel that clarity and you see that clarity, even though you don't know what's above the bend, the universe works it itself around to bring it to you. And the synagogue that I worked for, I am lucky to say, because it doesn't happen in many other places of worship or maybe just any work. I came back and I said, I wanna leave. And of course at the beginning they didn't wanna let me go. There was a whole this thing, but they actually let me go with severance, which is unheard of in my field. Usually if a person says, I, I'm leaving, they say, thank you very much, and here is the door and we'll send you a bouquet of flowers.
But that's not what happened in my case. In my case, they gave me a beautiful severance for all my 16 years in that position as a director of education and that severance was the beginning comfort to the next phase of my life.
So here's what I learned, that everything that you do is feeding to the next step. And I did not know that they're going to give me this chunk of money. I just knew I was gonna leave and I'm gonna put my faith and trust in God, which I have very strong faith and things will be okay. So then I have a good six months where I was able to start understanding what's going on, how do I make this as a business?
I did not know what it was, and I told my husband, I said, honey, I need to jump into the ocean and learn how to swim. I don't wanna go into another boat. I need to jump into the ocean and I will swim. And I will float and things will be okay. And at the beginning I may go with the wind a little bit until I get my bearings and I will understand what's going on.
So I remember the first year I just talked to people. I just met with people and one person I met said, oh, Dorice, what do you wanna do? And I said, you know, I'm in the process of writing this book and because of my sister's cancer, I think maybe I will publish it, you know? And that brought into, okay, where do I publish it?
Would do I do self-publishing or do I do real publishing? And one person, I remember telling me, Dorice, there’s no one is going to read your book because you are no Daniel Steel. And I remember sitting with that and thinking, I'm not Daniel Steel. I don't wanna be Daniel Steel. I wanna be Dorice Horenstein. With all due respect to Daniel Steel, I wanna be Dorice Horenstein.
And I said, well, we're gonna go see. And my book was picked up by a publishing company and was published and became bestseller. And I think it's that belief in myself in what I'm going to do and having, doing the action and having faith. So not just having faith and sitting cross leg on your sofa, you know, reading a magazine.
No discipline. You work, what is it the things that you do, how you are going to be doing that? Scheduling it. And I remember one person came to me and says, oh, do you wanna maybe speak about your books? And I said, yeah, that's, I would love that. And she said, you should join National Speaker Association.
Never heard of it before. Come from a Jewish education world. What's National Speaker Association? And then I joined, and then they said, well, if you wanna practice your speeches, you should join a Toastmasters. Never heard of Toastmasters. So I become, you know, a member of Toastmasters for speaking professionals, and within six months I'm the president.
Laura Rotter: You have the best energy. So just I wanna reflect back some of the things that you said that resonated with me. First of all, faith, which clearly plays such a strong role in your life, and the metaphor of sort of jumping into the water and floating and see where it goes. When I had a similar transition in my life, I thought that I had just let go of the trapeze.
And was waiting to catch the next one. And you know, I, I hope there was a net below if I, if I had difficulty catching. And it's also interesting that I also read Gabrielle Bernstein. I read, she wrote a book May Cause Miracles. Yes. When I was in my last position at Citi. And it made such a difference. It was the first time that I had this idea of like, Being my friend, loving myself, you know?
So you're reminding me that's about a decade ago that it really changed my life.
Dorice Horenstein: You know, we've spoken before and talked about how many connections we have with our mindset, with the things that brought us into what we do today. It's so fabulous that my son's mother-in-law and me are just the people
Laura Rotter: I know. Another piece of karma, and I also had an experience in my last position before I left to start my own firm that. I was miserable. Like we sat in this room without any windows, with our backs towards each other, and I, I had gone to a day long meditation retreat and I came back Dorice, saying, I'm going to suggest changes.
I'm not gonna be a victim. I'm gonna suggest that we look at each other during the morning meetings and that we, when different people have ideas, it’s not just with the head of the group, but everyone is invited. And I was trying to figure out when do I invite my boss, could we have a meeting? Cuz we sat on a trading desk and I think it was the next day, he invited me into his office and said, it's not for cause Laura, we're letting a whole bunch of people go, but you're, here's your 10 months of severance and, I’m, letting you go.
And I really felt that it was the universe seeing that…I'm gonna cry… that I wasn't a victim, that I was taking charge and I was ready.
Dorice Horenstein: In both gift of time and opportunity, but also the gift of money that they gave you this money and they said, go create what you want. Go make your new future. Do it. And they gave you the beginning. That's how I felt with my job, with my work at education. They gave me this opportunity, this gift, and said, go make your dream come true and what?
What a great place is it? I have never looked back with regret for leaving. I, I'm very fond of my background because I think, as you said, it builds us to who we are, right? Those small places and steps along with our journey is who we're, and thank you Lord, that I had this experience in the education.
I think it taught me compassion. It taught me how to be a teacher. In a way that I think I'm a master teacher, which now translates to when I go to companies and I talk and give workshops about positive intelligence and I facilitate groups. In Vistage, I actually have that master trainer built inside of my soul because of all these years of experience, years of standing in front of people and making sense of something.
Everything gets us to where we are now. The question is, do we use our God-given talents and gifts and training, or are we always in a search of what new thing we have to do? And I think that's sometimes a problem, is when you are in a state of a little bit paralysis of what to do, and you are looking to new things.
Oh, I, I'm just gonna learn this course. I'm just gonna get this certificate. I'm just gonna get this thing before I actually sit down and do what I'm supposed to do. And it took me about, you know, a few months to figure out when is paralysis analysis is enough? Where do I just need to actually make the jump and actually make the money right?
Not to practice about speaking, but actually apply, actually get in front of people. A speaker that does speak right.
Laura Rotter: We as women tend to be perfectionists and well, we don't wanna do it till we're perfect.
Dorice Horenstein: Exactly. I mean, I have a team, me with two guys, okay. And I love them. We practice all the time together and many times see them jumping into not only getting a speaking gig, but demanding quite a bit of money and I'm thinking I’m as good as they are asking for 50% of what they're asking. So they actually are the one who tell me, says, Dorice, this is not your value. You are gonna bring more. And they're influencing me in a really beautiful, positive way for me to come out of my mindset of, you know, I'm not that good yet.
It's this, I'm not that good. I'm, I have not had this experience. I haven't worked for profit organizations in this secular sector. I'm only, I know coming from the Jewish education who would want me, well, you know what, Laura? A lot of people want me,
Laura Rotter: And what I love about you, Dorice, is that you are yourself. You know, I'm on your distribution list. I'm on your social media. You are unapologetically yourself.
Dorice Horenstein: Completely. And you know what? No one can be better than me than me. No one. So, and I don't wanna be anybody else because no one can be better than them, than them. So I'm gonna, and those who gravitate toward me, great.
Those who don't, that's okay too. They have their own person. It's okay. There's billions of people in the world.
Laura Rotter: So Dorice as our listeners, what resources, I've already heard that your, your talent and teaching was a resource you brought forward into this next stage. You also mentioned the guys that you practice with and your network in general.
When you first started to swim towards a new shore, What else can you think about that you turn to, and of course I've seen you and the strength of your network having met you in a restaurant where the maitre d was like, Dorice, you're meeting Dorice.
Dorice Horenstein: Yes, yes. I bring with me confidence. I'm bringing with me confidence and a belief in my abilities and in myself.
Am I sometimes nervous and anxious about speaking on a stage? Yes. But then I talk to myself. I say, Dorice, you have worked so hard to be who you have become. Go up on that stage. I actually have a sentence that I say before I go onto every speaking. Appearance. Literally like a minute before I go on the stage, I say, please, God put the words in my mouth in the way that it could land on people's ears and be as fruitful as possible.
That's what I say every single time I go up and that's, and usually that's what happens because I put the intention in the right place and my heart is open and I say, I'm going to show up. And God willing, those people will benefit and will take it with them wherever they go in their lives. And so, yeah.
Laura Rotter: Beautiful Dorice. I wanna share, I have this in my room. Um, for those I don't who are just listening and it's backwards. It says Only love. And when I meet with my clients or when I meet with people who reach out to me, I know. People have a lot of shame and fear around their money, and I just open myself like you just described, as a practice to sit for a couple of minutes before the meeting and open my heart and just hope to create a safe space for them.
Dorice Horenstein: Yeah. You know, I mean, you are doing something that requires a lot of vulnerability from, from, from the, your client sharing. You know, a lot of people have shame with money. Right, and I think that I can understand why. I can understand why some people spend less than they have. Some people spend more than they have.
I always have this mindset, and I was sharing it with you. I don't spend money, I don't have. I just don't. When I hire any help or anybody to do some things for me, I know I can pay them today for their work. I don't pay them thinking when I make this money, I'll return that to them. I'm, I'm very clear about my value proposition here.
You don't spend money you don't have. That's, to me, it's, it's number one rule. I cannot bypass that rule ever. And I think it gives me a sense of comfort. It gives me a sense of comfort. And I think people maybe who are more risky than me will go a different way. For me, I know sleeping well at night have the money in the bank. Pay for what you got.
You know, you go to a restaurant and you eat their food and you say, I'll pay you next month. No, you ate the food, you paid. That's how I do it with my business for my, all my membership, all my dues, all my marketing expenses, all my stuff. And you know what you talked about only love. I love my money.
I love my money. You know, honestly, I look once every two weeks. I would look at my Excel sheet with expenses and then find an income and I'll just marvel at that for like few minutes.
Laura Rotter: So Dorice, can you share with our clients, what is your favorite part about the speaking? You know, what drew you to the work that you're doing now?
Dorice Horenstein: What a great question. I think influencing people to live a better, more loving, more positive life. To overcome challenges and the example that I started, this was my sister with the cancer. Having those challenges in life and yet growing out of them and looking at that experience as negative as it was with the opportunities and a gift that it brought, and my sister is alive today. She's, well, today, it's been since 2015. Since the cancer. She had the cancer and she's thriving today and she thanks the cancer. Insane. She's saying that the cancer was probably the best thing that happened to her in her life. Now, I know this is a really hard sentence, and for some people on their ears it may fall.
Like what? For her, it was an alarm signal. And if she was going down the path of what she was without making a huge change in her life, she would've had a lot of other medical issues, problems. And that was an alert, you know, an alert too for her. To get her life together, to get her priorities in line, to get what the value and the true meaning of life and to live life with joy.
And every day. She used to be a much more stressed individual than she is today. And I actually have a video of her when I, sometimes I share it depending what speaking engagement I do, but I share with her and she speaks in English about the gifts that she received from being a cancer patient. And imagine that the mindset, instead of being a victim, just like connecting it to what you said at the beginning, not to be a victim, but to feel that you are actually not even a survivor, but a thriver.
And how can you take that, you know, and not to say, oh, I'm a, I'm a cancer survivor, but rather I'm a cancer thriver. So, and that's what she is. So, yeah, so that is the real purpose, is to bring that energy, that positivity, that outlook on life. That makes our life better. And I did it for the Jewish people for all these years, and now I think I wanna do it for anybody.
I, I want the world to be my classroom and my stage. I said that the minute I left in 2018, in July, I said I want the world to be my classroom and my stage.
Laura Rotter: It's so important to reframe because we, we tend to like see our life, you know, like these narrow lenses. And then it does sometimes take something to shake us up, to make us realize, oh my God, I just read, you know, something that came into my inbox. Even if we live to a hundred years old, it's a drop in the bucket. It's not a lot of time and if we spend it being stressed and always I'm speaking to myself, right? I obviously, you and I, we made big life changes and it's so easy to get caught up in the well when I have five more clients. So when I do this and to shake myself and say, Laura, You are talking to Dorice in a beautiful room surrounded by leaves and sun, and you have, you know, this is it.
Dorice Horenstein: This is it, the present. The present is called the, who said? The present is called the present because it is a present. You know the present, not all right. I love that. Yes. It's called the, sometimes we take it for granted, so. An amazing thing to do for everybody, all your listeners. It's something that I think you and I are doing it, but now let's, let's name it.
And that's gratitude. Gratitude. Every morning I do it because of my Jewish tradition. Every morning I get up. Literally, my eyes are just opened. I'm still in bed. I haven't even put my legs on the carpets to go to the bathroom.
I say, thank you God, for bringing me back my soul so I can, you know, how great is your faithfulness in me? And I say that every time, and I always focus on the wor the first word, which is mod. Thank before the I ani Thank, I usually in English, we on the first thing in the morning that we say that we actually get our vocal chords used is to say thank I put the thank you before everything else in life.
And, and then since then I've, you know, my, my, I've done more things. I come down the stairs and I say to Bob, did I tell you I love my life? That's my second sentence. Did I tell you I love my life? But now we, we have this joke because I come and I said, honey, did I tell you I love my life? And he says, well, at least once or twice.
Laura Rotter: And I know that you were attracted. I don't know how much you're doing now with the speaking, but to the whole positive intelligence. And I really attracted to archetypal work. You and I have discussed this, so could you just share with our listeners what positive intelligence is?
Dorice Horenstein: So when I left and I start traveling around speaking, it was in 2019. Then, you know what happened in March 20 of ‘20 and everything closed down. Dorice Horenstein, what should you do? Challenge. Let's turn it to opportunity. Something I didn't want to face yet. It happened. What do I make of it? And somebody in my circle says to me, Dorice, somebody who knew who I met in the speaking world says, Dorice, have you heard of Positive Intelligence?
And I said, no. What is that? I have no idea. And she's like, well, it's the seven week course, and we take it and maybe there is a way that we can maybe be certified. And I sat with it and I thought, well, There's nothing else for me to do right now. I'm not gonna be baking challah every single day, so might as well do something useful with my time.
And I said, okay. And I start that in March of 2020 and I did not look back because yeah, that's, I did it. I was hooked right from the start because I understood that most human beings, and that's scientifically proven, our mind will go into what's wrong with our lives, our mind naturally. And it's based on history, right?
We had to protect ourselves. We had to, so we think danger, we think fear, we think when is the shoe gonna drop? And so I knew that the, that's the human beings. And so when you talk about archetypes, that's exactly it. That's the saboteurs in Positive intelligence. We have this concept called saboteurs, and then we have sage and there's 10 saboteurs, and then there's five sage.
And not that we're all 10, you know, each person has at least two or three that are on their top. I always say, if you have no saboteurs, you so happen to be an angel roaming in this earth, and so elected my backyard. But usually we all have saboteurs and we all have access to the sage and it's neuroscientifically in different parts of our brain.
It's not in the same place. And so many people don't know that. And that's why positive intelligence is so brilliant because it is a combination of four different sciences, neuroscience, positive psychology, cognitive psychology, and performing psychology. So we have all these four things together. And saying, how do we now move our mind?
What is our capacity of move our mind from negative to positive so that we will have better relationships, better productivity, better wellness? These three things, can you achieve them? And I thought, well, my book is talking about living well and being positive. Now I have these workshops and courses and coaching that to take people who are not even Jewish, right?
Because my book was more a lot in Jewish wisdom. Take those people and say, let's go through this. In a way that it can apply to you if you are religious or if you are not, if you, you know, it doesn't matter what religion you are. It's, it's an incredible entry point into companies when we don't wanna talk about religion yet, we talk about spirituality in the very end.
But it bubbles up because a lot of the sage is the empathy and it is the navigate of understanding what is the end goal and what is the purpose and the meaning. That's an activity that we do, and it more often than not, brings out the power, which is outside of us, so we can call it whatever we wanna call it.
And that's where that aspect of spirituality can come inside. And so being trained by Shirzad Chamine, who's the founder of Positive Intelligence. And being coach number 45 in the world, I'm feeling like really in a, in the best time of my life, best time of my life where I can have that. And so proud of all the things that I'm doing and loving it, loving everything.
Laura Rotter: So, Dorice, as we get to the end of our conversation together, how has your definition of success, perhaps financial success shifted over these last years?
Dorice Horenstein: You know, it's interesting that my word for 2023 was success. That was is my word. And when people ask me, how do you define success? I always, like I do in my speaking on stages, I always use the Hebrew language.
And I say in Hebrew, success is hatzlacha. And the word hatzlacha comes from the root base, which means to part like when you are in the ocean, in the Kinneret, in the Sea of Galilee and you wanna pass through, you wanna swim your way, to, to cross over and it means to part something. The essence of success means you have to part something.
You have, it's not easily coming. And sometimes, you know, in water, when you part water, the water trickles from other places back in. And you need to keep on swimming, keep on parting, in order for that to actually land, to actually get you on the other side of wherever you wanna go when you swim. That's to me is the definition of success is some, is something doing purposefully, repetitively with the idea of the goal in mind.
What is the end goal in mind? So, And so if it's wellness, because the success could be wellness. To me, that's what it is. And then how do you define the wellness? Is it financial wellness? Is it spiritual wellness? Is it physical wellness? And so that's why I chose that word success because to me it encompass all of that.
I cannot be successful if my home life had a hole in the bucket and the water coming out, I could not be successful if I did not have relationships with people that trust me. That referred me. So success is, is I think it's a beautiful word, and I'm loving the fact that you asked this question because yeah, that's success.
And I feel in that definition, I am a successful human being and I am striving to continue deepening that success.
Laura Rotter: Well, uh, I am, as you know, so struck and happy to be here feeling all the energy that's emanating through the screen, Dorice.
So if our listeners wanna reach out to you and learn more about you, how should they do that?
Dorice Horenstein:
So my website is Dorice Horenstein.com, first and last name. Easy peasy. You'll get things that I do in the coaching, in the speaking. My blogs, my podcast, all access, and I love to do something fun, right? Always do. So, I'm planning a women professional women trip to Israel in 2024, April 1st, and right now we have about 15 women and I'm opening it up only for 20.
So, if you are interested or anybody in your listeners are interested, connect with me. And I have right now people from all over the country. So, it's exciting and uh, the idea is, is to build this relationship of the women with the other women prior to the trip. So, when you get to the trip, you have women that you know and that you're friendly with, and that's where we're gonna make the best.
And it's open for Jews and non-Jews. I'm super excited to share the country that I love with people who love new experiences, if it's for their first time going to Israel or the fifth time going to Israel. If they're Jews. If they're not Jews.
Laura Rotter: Oh, that sounds amazing. Thank you again for being my guest. I'm definitely gonna put your website in the show notes and it was such a pleasure, Dorice.
Dorice Horenstein: Thank you, sweetie. Thank you. Mine as well. Mine as well.
Laura Rotter: I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Dorice Horenstein. I'm taking some things away with me and I'd like to share them with you. Take away number one, when contemplating a life change. Have faith that things will be okay. Dorice was on the plane to Israel flying to visit her sister who had been diagnosed with cancer when she decided she was going to leave her job of 30 years.
She had read the book, the Universe Has Your Back by Gabrielle Bernstein on the flight, and knew with clarity that. Though she wasn't sure what would come next, that it would all work out okay. As Dorice described, it wasn't just having faith and sitting on the sofa. She had faith in the universe and in herself that she had the discipline to put one foot in front of the other and move forward.
Take away number two, know that everything you have done. As prepared you for where you are now. Dorice does not regret the years that she spent as a Jewish educator. It taught her compassion while preparing her for her roles. Now as a positive intelligence coach and motivational speaker,
Take away number three, recognize when your mindset is getting in your way. So many of us when making a change can get paralyzed thinking that we need just one more course or one more certification before we actually jump in. We as women can be especially stuck in our belief that we need to be perfect before we can move forward. And this feeling of I'm not good enough yet can also cause us to undercharge for our services.
Dorice shared how she cultivates confidence in herself and her capabilities, and how she asked God to put the words in her mouth. And enable her to inspire people before she goes on stage. She noted that she's able to view challenges in her life as opportunities and to see herself as a thriver rather than a survivor.
And finally, cultivate gratitude. Be present to all the good things already in your life. Dorice practices what she preaches. Thanking God for returning her soul to her when she wakes in the morning and sharing with her husband each day that she loves her life.
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