A conversation with Sally Arkell-Boles, founder of Dynamic Intentions. Sally helps organizations scale growth, turning challenges into opportunities by successfully leveraging experience and thought leadership for complex situations.
Sally Arkell-Boles specializes in providing mindset and high-performance coaching services to help leaders, sales professionals, companies, and mid-career women achieve exponential growth while embracing freedom and empowerment.
Sally shared that she grew up surrounded by people with a lot of wealth. She never lacked for anything yet was aware that her family did not feel worthy of the kind of wealth that others had. As a result of her upbringing, Sally became very determined to have a path for herself toward creating wealth.
She was always taking on leadership roles and trying out new things because she knew she was worthy of achieving more. Sally has always been driven to serve people, to do more and to be more, knowing there is a bigger path for her and that it is up to her to make it happen, while having fun!
"It was my own belief in myself, that I had the skill and talent. I trusted my intuition for ideas and I listened to it and I acted on it and I collaborated and I made it come forward so that it provided for me the income, even though I wasn't chasing the income. I was really developing myself in a way that would be impactful for me to feel fulfilled inside. And because of that, the income showed up." - Sally Arkell-Boles
Key takeaways:
- You can choose joy. Sally shared that her journey wasn’t always easy. She moved across the country to follow her husband when she got married, then ended up divorcing with no family around to support her. Rather than choosing misery, Sally realized that she could take control of her thoughts and reactions - that she could choose positivity and joy.
- Recognize that there is always a solution to the problems you are facing. Sally is solution oriented. In her words: “whatever shows up, I look for a solution.” She attributes her “can do” attitude to her parents, who were always very positive.
- Have a “get to” list rather than a to do list. Sally noted that a to-do list almost feels like a command. She prefers to list the connections she anticipates experiencing each day, and the energy she’d like to bring to these connections. This practice has completely changed how she works with her day, and helps her feel grateful for all the events she anticipates.
- Don’t be afraid to advocate for yourself. Sally shared that, in 2019, began to feel that her skills and contributions were not being appreciated by the organization she was working for. She felt angst and unsettled for a number of months before deciding to take back her power and ask for a package. She ended up getting an offer that was more than she anticipated, which gave her the opportunity to start her coaching practice.
About the guest:
Sally offers Elite level personal and professional development coaching to individuals, teams and companies. She developed a diverse leadership background including Director with an International Organization, a Managing Partner in Financial Services, Entrepreneur and an International Speaker and Author.
Her company, Dynamic Intentions, specializes in providing mindset and high-performance coaching services to help leaders, sales professionals, companies, and mid-career women achieve exponential growth, while embracing freedom and empowerment. Her value proposition is built on the following key elements: Tailored Coaching for Success, Empowering Mindset Transformation, Accelerating Growth and Performance, Freedom and Empowerment and a Proven Track Record.
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Sally Arkell Boles
It was my own belief in myself that I had the skill and talent, but I trusted my intuition for ideas and I listened to it and I acted on it and I collaborated and I made it come forward so that it provided for me the income, even though I wasn't chasing the income I was. Really developing myself in a way that would be impactful for me to feel fulfilled inside. And because of that, the income showed up.
Narrator
Welcome to making change with your money, a podcast that highlights the stories and strategies of women who experienced a big life transition and overcame challenges as they redefined financial success for themselves. Now, here's your host, certified financial planner,
Laura Rotter.
Laura Rotter
I am so excited to have as my guest today, Sally Arkell Bowles.
Sally, through her company, Dynamic Intentions, offers elite level personal and professional development coaching to individuals, teams, and companies. She specializes in providing mindset And high performance coaching services to help leaders, sales professionals, companies, and mid career women achieve exponential growth while embracing freedom and empowerment.
So welcome Sally to the making change with your money podcast.
Sally Arkell Boles
Thank you, Laura. I'm just so happy to be here. And I just love your smile and the energy you bring to every podcast. And I'm really excited about today.
Laura Rotter
Me too. I am going to start with my favorite first question, which is what was money like in your family growing up?
Sally Arkell Boles
Okay. So I have an interesting story there because my parents immigrated from Britain back in, I think it was like, probably 1953. My sister was 1 year old. My father had come from a very wealthy family, generational wealth, intergenerational wealth. And my mom had had some varied changes in her life with her, her mother, but they were still successful as well.
And when my parents decided to leave England and come to Canada, Canada. My dad's passion was to become a farmer and he had studied agriculture and they had, they were war babies, right? They were in World War 2 when they were 16 and that's how they ended up meeting was through that connection. And so they grew up in a very different time than their.
Parents had and when they came to Canada, they were starting from scratch. They knew nobody. They had nothing. My dad had a job when he got there. But the 1 thing that I noticed with our family is that we never worried about money. Like, there wasn't the talk about lack, but. We had a good childhood. We, my parents were always positive, but what I recognize just recently, actually, in doing some work on money mindset was going back to my past.
I recognize that although my parents were well loved and everything by the people around us, we were surrounded by people with a lot of wealth, you know, and a professor of engineering and he had a big farm and he was also from, from Britain, but was a lot of wealth around there and other people that, you know, had the big tennis courts, because we lived in the country, because we were living on a farm at, you know, big tennis courts on and two big driveways going up to this private estate with an indoor pool and all those types of things.
And I realized recently that they all had a lot of wealth, but it wasn't really expected for us. So I think in a way, we were surrounded by these beautiful people that had a lot, but we were just living a normal average life and not expecting to have wealth in our future. And so it's only just in the last, probably 2 or 3 weeks that I actually did some work to see where my money mindset was coming from.
And it was a big aha for me to see that. So it was set from a childhood that they were the haves and the have nots. And although we weren't, you know, we never starved, we grew our own gardens because we lived in the country and we loved it. We had a beautiful childhood. My parents were really good. There was five daughters, and we, we had a great childhood.
Laura Rotter
Five Daughters! My God!
Sally Arkell Boles
And, um, and yet the gentleman that owned the, the, the farms that we lived on, because my dad worked for somebody, he was a stockbroker. In the big city, and we were in the country, and he owned all this, these acreages and about eight different properties that my dad was managing for him.
And they had a property there with the in ground pool with the guest house with the, the, uh, horse barns for their daughters and their big estate. That was their country where they'd come on the weekend. And so I started thinking about all of this and thought, huh, isn't that interesting? That we were associated with all the people with wealth, but it wasn't something that our family was feeling worthy of creating.
And that's what I discovered recently. So, and having worked in the finance business, I never really looked at it that way having worked in finance until just recently. And I'm like, I wonder if that's where part of my money mindset comes from. Is the fact that there was people that were expected to be middle class and people that just showed up with a lot of wealth and other things that we weren't, we didn't have in our lives.
So I don't know if that makes sense to you, but it was just a big eye opener for me this last month. And I'm like, huh, isn't that interesting.
Laura Rotter
It's interesting how you framed it, Sally, because you said, and again, this is an interpretation, right? That, um, it's almost like that your family didn't feel worthy rather than your family just didn't aspire to. And I'm curious both where that frame comes from and, um. What came up, you know, relatively recently, you said a couple of weeks ago that had you even thinking about this and doing money mindset work?
Sally Arkell Boles
Yes, I think, you know, as far as the feeling worthy, I think it was probably my bringing up. That was just like, that just wasn't in our future to be wealthy.
I'll tell you, my grandfather in Britain was knighted by the queen.
Laura Rotter
Oh my God.
Sally Arkell Boles
like, this is who I come from. Yeah, you know, it was always like. The British family was successful and mom and dad just wanted to live a normal life, right? They weren't aspiring to have all the things, right? And so it's not like we didn't live a good life.
We were never like, we were never short of anything. We were never wanting, but we didn't live the glamorous life. I guess you would say back then or that what appeared to be. The really rich people, like we weren't looking like the wealthy people and so I never felt that there was lack. I never felt that I was wasn't worthy, but it sort of occurred to me that that's probably what has happened for our family because we just had middle class lives.
So, it kind of just made me think and so I actually had, um, I had joined somebody's workshop that was allowing us to really work on money mindset. Because, you know, for my business, I want to understand it even more. I always am looking for new things. And in that was some. The regression therapy, where you go back and see yourself as a child, that kind of thing.
I thought, I've never done this before. And it was very simple. And it, but yeah, it was like, these observations came up from that childhood. And that was 1 of them. I'm like, that makes so much sense to me. It makes so much sense because I didn't feel like I was, although their children were my friends, and some of them are still my friends today, they were on a different path than I was.
So that's basically how I discovered it just recently when I really started looking at it with different eyes.
Laura Rotter
Fascinating, because clearly your father, it seems, elected to walk away from a life that may have contained more wealth, whether if that was sort of snubbing that life or just yearning for a different life. And, and so you grew up. Both with, you know, living in the country, a positive choice your father made and yet aware that there was, that there was wealth around, which is different than a lot of the women I've interviewed that I feel like, you know, we just grew up, not quite aware that there were people with a lot of, and so Sally, what was your path? You know, did you, did you also work when you were younger working, helping your dad or. What were the expectations for you and your four siblings?
Sally Arkell Boles
Well, our dad managed a cooper farm, so there was a number of people that worked with him. So we didn't work on the farm. So we didn't have that expectation, but we all found part time jobs. And then, you know, it was also at a time. For us where, and my dad admitted this afterwards, he says, I wasn't in the mindset that you girls needed post-secondary education. Like I went to to college. I didn't go to university. My youngest sister went to college and a couple of them took a few courses at college, but the wealthy people's children went to university.
But my dad was not under the mindset that as a woman, I would have to even look after myself that, you know, he was still in that mindset of that the men would, but I was determined to be something. So, originally, I wanted to be an architect, but that didn't seem to play out in the cards within our family, so I chose a different path and I went to college and I studied fashion buildings.
I studied fashion, but it was it was fashion from a business perspective, not from a design perspective. So, it was understanding the business side of the fashion and retail industries. And so from there, I ended up working in the bigger city, working for a big corporation, and I actually became a designer of menswear lines for a number of years.
Within it, but I was also accountable for the sales, the gross margins that all of the financials for it and I got to travel the world going and see what else was out there for the product line that I was responsible for and purchasing shopping. I have shopped in New York quite a bit. I was determined to create a path for myself to create wealth.
And so, for me, it was always. Taking on leadership roles, trying new things, being able to pivot from 1 company to another and building my own worth. Because I knew deep inside of me that I was worthy of achieving more, right? I was worthy to be more than just, you know, like, I wasn't a mom until I was 39, not by choice, but because, you know, I had some miscarriages when I was younger and then a divorce and, and so, you know, I, I charted my path for my career, number 1, because I loved working and I love the challenge of using my mind. So, I became a little different than my siblings in a lot of ways, and some of them had some success.
Others were just, you know, doing what fit within their schedule, which is perfectly fine. But for me, I've always been driven. To serve people to be more and to do more and leadership is always been in my blood, right? So, I've always had that and that's where I spent a lot of my time. So, from a worthiness perspective, I knew there was a bigger path for me and it was up to me to make it happen.
And so that's how I sort of started to work through that money mindset without knowing what my blocks were, but just knowing that I had a passion to be able to move forward. And to create the life that I wanted to create and have fun while I was doing it.
Laura Rotter
That's beautiful. So I do hear independent of what your parents experience was, that you did have an experience of like, Oh, those people have wealth and I want more than what I grew up.
Again, you said you didn't, you weren't wanting for things, but I've often noticed people who achieve somehow something in their past lights a fire under them that makes them strive for more and does that resonate with you that that.
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, when my dad actually had mentioned, even the fact that, you know, because, but the Joneses are one of the wealthy families, right?
And their children all went to university and their children are all the same age as us, right? They had 2 sons and 2 daughters. The sons went to private school. The daughters went to regular school and then on to university, but then they had also buying house together. When they were going to university so that they had a house, these siblings had houses together to build their wealth.
We weren't trained on those kinds of things. So there's little things that I recognize that were happening amongst other people. That wasn't the norm in our family. So I think that sort of got my brain going to say. There's other ways to explore things. What could I do to explore different avenues? And I also wasn't afraid to move across the country for jobs, to explore different opportunities, and to also switch industries.
Because I also, when I got into business recognized that if I switched an industry, I could take those same behaviors and success patterns and move them over to a different industry. So I moved like three or four distinct different industries. Knowing that in each one I could grow even bigger and faster than I did at the last one.
And so that was something that I don't know if I picked it up from other people or just my drive to say, you know what, I've done this, what could I do differently? And where could I go next to be able to step into something? Or sometimes it was just circumstance that showed up, like us having to move for my husband's job or for my job, that caused me to step up to that next level.
So, from a money mindset, it really changed as I also changed positions to see how fast I could take my income from here to here. So, it was my own belief in myself. That I had the skill and talent, but I trusted my intuition for ideas and I listened to it and I acted on it and I collaborated and I made it come forward so that it provided for me the income, even though I wasn't chasing the income I was really developing myself in a way that would be impactful for me to feel fulfilled inside. And because of that, the income showed up.
Laura Rotter
Well, you've shared a number of things, Sally. So I'm, you know, you, you mentioned earlier that leadership was in your blood. So I would love it if you could unpack that a bit for our listeners. What you mean, you did just note two things that I jotted down that you are collaborative. And you trust your intuition, but you could speak to what made you confident in your leadership abilities and what you brought to the, to all these roles.
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah. And I think, you know, my confidence in my leadership, I think started at a really young age and I don't know why. I really don't know why. I just know that, you know, I had three older sisters and they were all getting married when I was like 12, 13, 14, and Wow. Sister, that much. Older sister. Right. We had a baby sister. Wow. And you know, I know today my oldest sister is the boss of the family and I think I maybe stepped into the boss of my younger sister, like as far as I became the leader for her because she was three years younger than me. And our sisters were getting married when she was, like, nine and ten and eleven, right? And so it was almost like we were two different generations within the household.
And I wonder whether I started to take that leadership role in looking after her, right? And making sure she was okay and, you know, helping her to be a little stronger in what she was doing, but kind of leading her down that path. But I also believe that my leadership was just innate. I just knew that how to work with people, but also I always had a vision of where I wanted to go, or what type of income level I wanted to be at by a certain age.
And I don't know where that comes from, but I just know that I had these goals in mind. Way in advance, and so my mindset was already being formed for me. With a bigger goal than would have dreamed would happen, but I did dream it would happen. And so, I, I, you know, I think it's very interesting when you go back and you think about your past, what that can look like, and, you know, the goals that you set for yourself, paths show up for you that take you off track, but then if you pull yourself back on, you know, it hasn't always been a smooth ride, but I've always found a way.
And I've always found a way, and I never let, you know, disadvantages take me off of my path, you know, like being married, moving across the country, you know, divorcing with no family around to support or anything like that, like, these things happen to me, but I didn't let it take me away from who I was. I stayed strong and who I was because I had to make my decisions and I had to be strong to get forward because there was nobody else close by living within, you know, 3 provinces away to be able to.
You know, talk to, and at the time, we didn't have social media. That was back in the 80s, right? So it was just phone calls is all we would have, which was great, but it wasn't I had to defend and stand up for myself. A lot of the times in standing that power that I had within myself to say, it's going to be okay.
Right? You can choose joy, you can choose positivity, or you can choose to sit in your misery, but we never did that. We always, like, my parents always would make us as sisters, if we had a little squabble, to, to apologize to each other. So maybe that's part of it as well, is that. We weren't allowed to hold on to anger, fear, and worry and doubt.
We, we had to bring it out and just make up and give each other a hug. So I think there's all those little things that add up over our lifetime that we don't even realize that we have, because we've only lived this one life and we don't know what, how everybody else is living until we get out into the big world and we start meeting people and having relationships that we understand there's a whole bunch of other mindsets out there that might be different than ours.
Laura Rotter
Yes. And I really love that, Sally, and I listen to you. So you sound again, very driven to achieve and part of that achievement does seem to have been defined by how much you earn. And I still am reflecting and understanding my money mindset. And. I grew up and definitely made the choice because of scarcity growing up to go into a field that I remember at the time, rather than being, you know, working at a bank, deciding to go into Wall Street because I heard that people made 100, 000. And yet. I remember because it was sort of a turning point in my career, not a great one that I was in a position where I was paid seven figures and told if you have this kind of performance next year, you know, you'll have your own fund to manage and and I'll make you a partner. And what did I do? I walked away to have an easier commute to my children to work somewhere that had like a man made lake. Oh, they'll be able to and was told will never make you partner and gave me a low six figure. It ultimately from a progressing career point of view was not a great choice and didn't work out. Well, that fund went out of business and I, you know, it was hard to find my footing afterwards, but I somehow was never, even though I grew up with scarcity beyond a certain amount, I was never really drawn by the money, which is just interesting. I often think about that. Sally, do you have practices in place? You talked about your positivity and you're leaning towards joy. Clearly there is some inherent DNA, right? That, that has us either be glass half full or glass half empty. And we often need practices to help us um, center and reframe. So what practices have you found helpful during you've described several transitions in your life?
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah. So I think the practices that I've applied, I'm always solution oriented, right? So whatever shows up. I look for a solution. I don't look necessary. I look back and say, okay, so what happened and what could I do differently?
But I look for the solution. Everything that we do in life, there's a solution that's going to lead us to a better outcome. And so it might be just the fact that you're getting up in the morning. And you're having a big glass of water first thing to just hydrate. It could be as simple as something like that.
But I know that some of the practices that I put in place and especially as I'm now in my own corporation, I have my own business. This is a whole different animal than working for somebody. And what I've really found now is that my sole purpose is to serve others. In a way that I get to change, help them change their lives.
I don't change it. I help them change their lives, but I know to me, it's just more heart centered. It's, it's coming from my gut. It's my intuition and really wanting to make a difference for them and their lives because they're struggling with those thoughts, those patterns that they have. And so, yeah. I have practices in place on a daily basis. So I meditate before bed. I meditate in the morning and oftentimes I'm just listening to something. That's a online meditation that I have a number of different favorite ones, but I made a commitment when I came into this business. I have a group of friends that are in the same type of business and we meet every morning at 6 am for a study call. So Monday to Friday, we meet. Thank you. Every day, and I've been doing it for 2 years because I wanted to become better at my trade. I wanted to be able to understand what tools are available and I wanted to stay committed to me to growth. And so 6 am, we get on a call. There's about 6 of us and we all study whatever we want to study and then we come back and we give, you know, a few minutes of our takeaways from that day so that others can learn from how we are seeing it, or the philosophies that we're bringing forward. And so that's been going on for 2 years. So I start my day every morning at 6 am. On a zoom call 1 of the other things is, is I'm going to be reading at least 5 pages of a book in the morning because I recognize that I would never finish a book.
I don't start from a never finish. So I recognize that 5 pages I can do in the morning. That's no big deal. Like, 5 pages is nothing. So I put that into practice. And then 1 of the things that I did in my daily journal, I guess a call I, I completely got rid of the words as my to do list. And each morning, I write down a few things.
The 1st thing is, if all things are possible, and then what I want to bring into my life that morning or that day, and then I write down 3 to 4 things that are really connection type of. Appointments that I have in my day and the energy I want to bring forward to them. So I write down things like today I get to show up and all my beautiful energy for my podcast with Laura.
And so I write those things down. And then after they're done, I put a little heart beside it. So my, my list is only bringing in the ones that I'm bringing this beautiful energy with connection to. And so I put those 3 to 4 items down every day. And I bring the energy to when I'm writing it, but I put, I get to, that's a really important piece because that's a choice that. It's not a command, right? A to do list is a command and that that never feels good. Right, a command never feels good. And then at the end, I put, you can put universe or God. Um, today I ask you for, and then you can ask whatever else is the blank. So you want to have filled in. Right? So, it could be for ease and flow and joy for the day, or it could be, you know, today I ask you to just bring Susan forward for me. Calling me, right? So I put those types of things down and then what I find is all those other tasks that I need to get done. They just flow in between and so I don't have to have that, you know, nasty list that I used to always have. And it would just grow and grow. And at the end of the day, I'd feel so onerous because I never got through them all and I would feel not great.
So I employed this practice and it's completely changed how I work with my day. And I've done gratitude journals, I've done all those kinds of things, but this practice almost makes me feel grateful for all of the events that I have coming for the day. And I just always put down whatever energy I'm bringing forward to it, because that makes me feel the success of it.
The joy that I get to do by just even showing up today with you is to just have that energy going in before I even show up. And to me, it's all about energy. It really is about the energetic fields that we're in because we're energetic beings. And so if I just put down a to do list, it's no wonder I don't get the things done with joy or with attraction or with good energy.
Laura Rotter
It's it's very true and yet it's not that easy to put in practice. I have here. It will, it will look backwards to me, but I think you can see it. It's only love. And this I keep hanging near me on my window to prompt the energy with which I want to approach my interactions, right? As opposed to like, I have a client meeting to, um, I will bring my open heart and my love to my meetings or my podcast interview with Sally.
I have to confess, I do have a to do list. I try not to make it a should do, but I want to do list. Of course, I just said I try to make it.
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah, and I think that's the piece though, is you know, everybody's going to find the thing that's going to make them feel the best. And so I really want to advise people and guide them to what energy are you bringing to your day? What energy are you bringing when you get up in the morning? What energy are you taking to bed at night? Because if you're going to bed at night and you're all you're doing is reviewing what happened during the day that didn't work out. You're going to go to sleep and you're going to not sleep well. Right. But if you go to bed and you say, wow, I was just so blessed because I got to just have some time one on one with Laura today.
And she's just the most beautiful woman inside and out and how lucky am I that I got to have that opportunity. And if I go to bed with that. Guess what? I'm going to have the most beautiful sleep.
I'm going to wake up in the morning. Ideas are going to be flowing to me from an intuitive perspective, and I'm going to be able to just act on those in the morning and say, wow, that's really cool. Look what showed up for me today. And so then I'll wake up with joy. Right? And it's very, very difficult for people to reprogram the negative thoughts at night, the worry, lack, fear, but and I teach my clients when they finally start observing that they're having that.
That's the 1st step number 1, they've got this negative and they're recognizing that they don't want it. Let me just tell them to tell themselves to stop and then reframe it. And so you reframe it in a way that's going to bring you that opportunity. To you in the way that you want it to play it, because we don't have to have anything set in stone that that's how we feel about it.
And so, for me, the recognition of that negative thought pattern and interrupting it is the 1st step. And that's that's all you can do right now. That's perfect. Just interrupt it and say, no, that's not how I want to feel and then reframe it into something. If you can, if you can't just at least say stop.
Stop. That's not, that's not me. That's not me. That's not truly me. And so for me, those little tiny things add up over time. And then we're able to take that next step to say, Oh, Laura, you're so beautiful. You're so beautiful inside and out. And you just bring so much joy to everybody that you get to work with.
Boom. That's much better than saying, Oh my gosh, who am I going to work with next week? Cause I don't have anybody in my calendar. And so you, you switch the news that you're putting on your own head. And especially before bed, because we know, you know, as well as I do, that you go into the different alpha, beta, theta states where answers will start to come to you, if you're asking the right questions before bed, or if you're putting that right energy out.
And so now it's very clear for me on what I do want to attract versus what I don't want to do, and how I want to feel versus how I used to feel in certain situations. And so for me, that's the power that we get to choose.
Laura Rotter
That's really, really beautiful, Sally. Um, and I, I'd like to add on to that from the work I'm doing. I'm actually in a 10 month meditation course, which is that our brains are wired to recognize the negative, right? Because it really wasn't that long ago in human evolution that if you didn't notice the tiger hiding in, in the trees, you would be eaten. And so perhaps also bringing to the. The worry and the spiraling and, you know, and understanding and like, thank you so much for trying to protect me.
I'm okay. I'm good. And then this is actually Dr. Rick Hansen mentions this a lot to when you have something positive, a positive interaction. To actually sit with it to notice it and let it be there because it tends to be sort of Teflon for the for the positive interactions. We don't notice them. Someone tells us something positive.
Sally. You've said so many beautiful things to me. We tend to swap them away and just, you know, remember the bad interaction we we had with our coworker. And so say, thank you. I know you're trying to protect me. I am fine and really take in the good because it's not how we're wired. Zoe, can you share how you decided to leave corporate and start your own consultancy?
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah, so my husband and I had moved around a lot with our son, our son was now in university and my husband had been traveling for his career, most of his career. And, you know, I had the stable bricks and mortar type of businesses that I was attending. And at 1 point, we just decided, you know, what 3 of us are living in different parts of the country.
Our son's 18, he's at university in 1 place. I'm living in the house, looking after everything by myself and my husband's out traveling. We need to live together. So we moved to where he was supposed to have a 10 year contract.
Laura Rotter
And when was this, just to?
Sally Arkell Boles
2019.
Laura Rotter
Okay.
Sally Arkell Boles
So I picked up and moved and my company was looking for another opportunity for me in this other location, but I didn't speak the language, right?
It was in Quebec and it was French and I'm English and I, I studied French in school, but I wasn't fluent in it by any means. And so. As they were doing that, they were also making all sorts of leadership changes in the organization because new leaders came in and they were revamping the whole organization.
And, and it got to the point where I just wasn't feeling like what I was being offered. I wasn't being appreciated for my worthiness and for my skill level and all of that. And I just knew deep down inside, it was time to say, I need to do what I really want to do. And, you know, I've had success in my career.
I've experienced so many different wonderful opportunities. I've had opportunities to travel all over the world and earn incentive trips, all that good stuff that we, we strive for. And now I just knew I wanted to make a difference in a way that would really make, in my opinion, would make a big impact on people's lives.
In a way that they're not used to having it impacted and so I just decided to leave my career. I asked for a package and I left at the end of 2019.
Laura Rotter
You asked and you got it. I'm assuming.
Sally Arkell Boles
Yes, I did.
Laura Rotter
That's great. I love when women advocate for themselves.
Sally Arkell Boles
Yes. Well, I, you know, I got that idea from another lady that I knew had gone off and done training within the investment.
Business as well. And so I had reached out to her one day and said, Hey, can you tell me how you did this and things like that? And that was like, a couple of years before I even did tip the move. But she said, you know what, when I, because she had been with the same corporation, she said, when I saw things that were happening, that just didn't feel right to me, I just asked for a package.
And I got it and now she's got this thriving business globally that she teaches people within that industry. And so I always remembered that. And so, when I was. Feeling the angst of, oh, my gosh, where are they going to give me a job? Where can I go? Where can I go? Oh, I don't like what they're offering me.
I was feeling all that for probably about 3 months. And then I thought, you know what, I don't need to settle for what they're giving me or what they're wanting to offer me, or that they're ignoring me because I kind of got lost in the fray when I moved away and I thought, I'm just going to ask for a package.
So I made a decision at that point that I was needing to take care of how I was feeling and not worrying about what the company was doing and take back my power. And I just asked for it and I got more than I expected, and it all worked out really well. And so that gave me the opportunity to now say, okay, so what is it?
Where is that secret sauce that I get to bring forward for other people? And so I went and I studied and I found different mentors and things along that type of line. And it all started making sense for me that in the corporate world, we teach people how to do their job, but we never teach them why they're getting the results that they're getting.
And so I can't take Joe and make him the same as the top performer with the training that was available for us in the corporate level, because we were dictated what we needed to do for our training and development. And so this gave me the opportunity to look at life in a whole different. aspect and say, you know what I get to teach people why they're getting the results that they're getting and how to get to the results that they really want.
And I also get to teach people how to really get back in tune with their purpose and their passion in life so that they can live their life with that excitement every day. And with that. You know, desire to actually create the life of their choosing. So whether they're in that corporate or whether they're, you know, wanting to just get back in tune with who they truly are inside and just bring, like you've done, bring that beautiful energy forward now and a different perspective to how you're working your business, because you know, there's more to life.
Right, you know, there's more to life and it's like, how can I tap into that? Because I'm ready and that's where I think, you know, I really, I'm just so grateful that it's all falling into place the way that I wanted it to and things have just shown up people places and things have shown up for me to be able to guide me down this path.
And even with meeting with you, you and I knew right away when we met that we needed to connect just because there was that energetic connection and a similarity in our paths. Thanks. And we're all looking for having a life of ease and joy and fun and success and all of the things. And there's no reason why we can't have all of the things, but also have the energy of that beautiful energy like you bring forward.
Laura Rotter
Right, and, and the energy of purpose, which I'm, I'm hearing you talk about Sally. Are there particular kinds of clients that you enjoy working with more than others?
Sally Arkell Boles
Well, I found that a lot of people that are attracted to me are the 50 plus women. They're 50 years old. They've done, like I said, they've done all the things just like I did.
They did all the things. They had a good career. They raised a family. They may have had a divorce. They may not have. They may have just been doing all the things the way that they were told to do. But now they're like, there's gotta be more to life. I don't want to just, you know, stop my life now that there's so much more I can bring to my life and to my joy.
And whether it's, you know, I have some women that have just created these amazing visions. For their future, and it's like, wow, and when I first started working with them, they had no idea that there was even anything in there. And so when we get to uncover that, and they create their vision for their future on what that's going to look like and and who they get to serve, because they all want to serve somebody in a big way.
Right? And all of the experience that they experienced in their life has led them to this point where now they get to choose. That big worthy goal, that big dream that they have, that purpose and passion that they want to bring forward. And it's always heart centered. It's always comes from the heart once they discover it and it's just so amazing to see it in that transition because you just, you know, they go from, you know, their face is a little dull and maybe they're just, you know, they're, they're nice, but you can see there's something missing.
There's no sparkle left and then when they get to the point of really even seeing that they have an opportunity to create something so beautiful and there's possibility to do it. They just shine their skin glows their hairs. Sparkles like they just show up in a whole different energy and, and that's when, you know, you're in the right place serving the right people.
That's what I like. Yeah. That's what makes me feel all tingly
Laura Rotter
And I do feel that and that's sort of the gift of aging. If you will. We, you know, different kind of energies are appropriate for different ages. So when you're younger, you are building your wealth, building your foundation. It's all about more money, more titles, more responsibility. And then you get to a certain age and it really does become more and more about service. Like, what are my unique gifts that I can bring to serve others?
So Sally, as we get to the end of our conversation, I'm wondering how your definition of success and perhaps even financial success has shifted over the years.
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah, I think, you know, right now, I mean, I'm at a stage of my life where You know, I've had all the things and my husband and I used to sit home. So we would go and we buy a home. We, we would do all of the renovation ourselves. I've always because I want to be an architect. Remember, but I love interior design.
So I would design everything and and we would build it together and we would do that. We did a number of houses that way and then. Right now, we've just really downsized temporarily for a few years while we're trying to figure out that next step for us. But actually, I'm not missing any of the things, right?
I'm not missing any of the things. I'm, I'm actually like, Oh, that's interesting. We can live really small, not having all the stuff that we've had in the past and still have a joyful life and the freedom to be able to do what we want to do. So, from one perspective, I've changed. You know, that desire to always have, you know, the latest and greatest and everything in my house, which is really interesting for me, because I love, I used to love doing that kind of thing.
And then from, you know, a money mindset or a wealth perspective, I think as you age, I really want to At least in my perspective, other things become important over the having, you know, all of the higher incomes and those kinds of things. I know I attract income. I know that I'm quite worthy of receiving.
I know all of those types of things, but my main purpose is not around the money anymore. My main purpose, I think I was more driven for the money while I was raising our son. It was like, okay, we need to have some stability for him. We need to have these things. We need to be able to get him to university.
We need to, you know, all of those kinds of things. I think it was more focused around building. The stability for our family at that time, but now it's more about. What can I do to make a difference to people as opposed because I know the money will just flow if I'm making an impact on others. I don't have to worry about building money, because money will flow money will come to me because of the value that I'm offering. And I think that takes away a lot of people that I know that have become entrepreneurs. They're so worried about offering what they have to other people because they have the fear of asking for money, but they're not really asking for money.They're asking for that person to invest in themselves to become something more, to be able to embrace something more. And I think when we take ourselves out of the mindset of chasing the money, and that's why we're in business. It changes everything in our life because people will show up for us and they'll see what you're offering.
And then they will decide whether they're willing to invest in themselves based on how you're showing up. And that, to me, is a big differentiator than just going after things and saying. Well, you know, I'm going to become a realtor because I heard realtors make millions of dollars a year and they can make this much on this house and this much on that house.
We hear it all the time. People are selling that all the time on the internet, right? They're all selling the quick, rich scheme, quick, rich scheme. The end of the day, the richness is within, and when you have the richness within, the money will flow. And it will flow in a way that's perfect for you and I see so many people with that fear of how, you know, I feel icky asking people for money, but at the end of the day, it's not about you at all.
It's about what you're able to do for them to help them make that transformation that then brings that value to you. So I look at money a whole different perspective than I did when I was in the income, you know, from the corporation. And although lots of people are in those types of roles, and that's fine, if that's your choice, I've chosen to leave that the ability to develop my business on my terms with the people that I choose to work with.
And therefore, I know that the money will be there just because I'm showing up with a different energy and I'm able to serve and then that word of mouth spreads. When you actually show that way, and I know that's how you're running your practice. Now is you're bringing those values forward first before you even talk about the money piece, because if you don't understand the, how the inner workings and the values and what the people really want to accomplish in their life, you're probably one of the first people that's even asked them that right?
Is it not true? Like, they don't even talk about that as a couple in a lot of situations.
Laura Rotter
Yes.
Sally Arkell Boles
And so that's the value you get to bring, and then it opens up all the other conversations. And so, for me, that's the piece I want others to hear is that when you just show up in service, but also with the ability to know your value, because there is value to everything that we do, you will attract way more. Than you ever would have in any of the other situations that you've worked in and when they're ready, they'll, they'll be able to help you, you know, serve, allow you to serve them in a way that they will remember forever and making that game changer for them. That's just the fun of it. I think it's not to worry about money.
Laura Rotter
I think like everything in life, if you bring a scarcity mindset, which is part of what our culture has us. Doing it really takes away again from the joy of service from the joy of the relationship and when the people we're talking to value themselves enough to pay to take care of themselves to build leadership qualities to, you know, organize their finances, but we can't force people.
To do what we wish for them to do. So, Sally, if people are listening to this and want to get in touch with you, what's the best way? And is there something else you'd like to add for to our conversation before we bring it to a close?
Sally Arkell Boles
Yeah, so the best place to find me is on LinkedIn and just look for Sally Arkell Bowles, just like it's printed up on the screen here.
That's the best place to find me. I also have a website, same name. It's in the process of being changed in the next month or so, but that you can go and find me on there. And on there is also an opportunity to just subscribe to, you know, my list that gets you into my world. But I, what I do is I post up a video every week just on something to do with mindset.
So, it just allows you to be able to go to free resource to a mindset video every week. I just love doing them because I think there's so much out there that we can talk about and to learn from, and it might be just as simple as that get to list, right? But it might be a little bit more deep at the time that you're listening.
So, if you're interested in that, it just pops up as soon as you go on my website, just scribe and you'll be able to get those notifications. And I, I'm just really thankful. To have been a guest on this podcast, Laura, I just love your energy and I think, you know, we, we definitely have a connection. That's a little deeper than most connections, I think, but I really appreciate the opportunity to share.
And, um, and I just want to let people know, you don't have to sit in that worry, fear and doubt. There's ways to be able to change that and they're pretty simple shifts once you understand how to change it and it may take a long time to change some. I honestly just tell people we can work on 1 or 2 paradigms at a time because we want to make sure that you are taking care of the ones that are showing up now.
And then we can work on 1s later. We've had to spend a whole lifetime getting to where we are and it's not going to be a quick. Oh, yeah, snap the fingers and it's all gone, but it's going to be an awareness and it's going to be ability to understand how you can change it. And I think that's the power that we get to bring from a mindset is how to switch off some of those tunes that have been playing in our head for 40, 50 years and be able to really reframe them and start a new song.
Laura Rotter
Beautiful, beautiful way to end our conversation, Sally. Thank you so much for being with us.
I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Sally Arkell Bowles. And I'm sharing some of my takeaways from the conversation.
You can choose joy. Sally shared that her journey wasn't always easy. She moved across the country to follow her husband when she got married. I Then ended up divorcing with no family around to support her.
Rather than choosing misery, Sally realized that she could take control of her thoughts and reactions. That she could choose positivity and joy. My second takeaway, Recognize that there is always a solution to the problems you are facing. Sally is solution oriented. In her words, Whatever shows up, I look for a solution.
She attributes her can do attitude to her parents, who are always very positive. Have a get to list rather than a to do list is my third takeaway. Sally noted that a to do list almost feels like a command. She prefers to list the connections she anticipates experiencing each day and the energy she'd like to bring to these connections.
This practice has completely changed how she works with her day and helps her feel grateful for all the events she anticipates. Finally, Sally encourages us not to be afraid to advocate for ourselves. Sally shared that in 2019, she began to feel that her skills and contributions were not being appreciated by the organization she was working for.
She felt angst and unsettled for a number of months. Before deciding to take back her power and ask for a package, she ended up getting an offer that was more than she anticipated, which gave her the opportunity to start her coaching practice. Are you enjoying this podcast? Don't forget to subscribe so you won't miss next week's episode.
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Narrator
Thanks for listening to making change with your money certified financial planner, Laura Rotter specializes in helping people just like you organized, clarify, and invest their money in order to support a life of purpose and meaning. Go to www. trueabundanceadvisors.com forward slash workbook for a free resource to help you on your journey. Disclaimer, please remember that the information shared by this podcast does not constitute accounting, legal, tax, investment, or financial advice. It's for information purposes only. You should seek appropriate professional advice for your specific information.